In our country,
there is a peculiar method of
trapping monkeys. This process consists of bringing a big pot
with a small
mouth and putting some material which is attractive to the
monkey inside that
pot. A monkey, out of curiosity would put its hand inside the
pot and get a
handful of that material. It will be trapped, unable to pull
its hand out! The
monkey imagines that someone inside the pot is holding its
hand. Then it will
attempt to run away along with the pot! No one is holding the
monkey. The
monkey trapped itself, due to its own attachment. The moment
it lets the
material go, it will be free. Similarly in this big pot of the
world with
narrow mouth of temporal pleasures, people are tempted! When
they are lost with
involvement in those pleasures, they think that someone or
something is binding
them down. No one is responsible for this bondage. The moment
you give up the
pleasures and detach yourself, you will be free!
How are we free, if
we don’t hold on to the thing in the pot like the monkey?
The monkey mind is
holding on to it and the bad monkey mind has probably hardly a
chance to ever
let go. That is how we learn to know the difference
between monkey
mind and bad monkey mind. No one is responsible for this
bondage, but he one
who is holding on to it and how do we tell a bad monkey mind to
let go?
In a different age
and century we probably would just have cut off his hand, so he
would not be
able to hold on to it.
Similarly in this
big pot of the world with
narrow mouth of temporal pleasures, people are tempted! When
they are lost with
involvement in those pleasures, they think that someone or
something is binding
them down. No one is responsible for this bondage. The moment
you give up the
pleasures and detach yourself, you will be free!
The problem is for
Baba it is a narrow mouth of temporal pleasure we are tempted to
hold on to it,
but you know for those holding on to it that mouth is not narrow
and it is huge
and they don’t listen to Baba but close both ears to not have to
let go and if
we don’t hear it we don’t have to feel bad about it if we don’t
let go, don’t
we?
I went on with my
book, probably Baba was present as John Bradshaw’s work about
the inner child
and ‘Homecoming’ seems to answer about every insight I had with
Baba during
that time and even before. Do you expect to get answers in that
way?
Where is Baba? He is
everywhere, he is not only everywhere, he told us where he is,
‘you and I are
we’, so first we have to be ‘we’ and second we have understand,
‘we and you is
I’. Do you hear Baba how he is telling it, we find it in
YouTube.
And in case it doesn't work, we find it under the link:
I try to find it, but
that is also great, a video about dream and waking stage and
sleep stage. Atma is
super consciousness, follow the master, face the devil, fight to
the end, and
finish the game. We are consciousness, not the body, enquiry
very important.
Is there
transformation since I listen to his words and think it over,
definitely it is,
I feel much closer to what he is telling now than I did before.
He also talks about
mother and father and I guess getting rid of the hurt child is
getting aware
that they are just a symbol of the real father and mother.
And he explains the I
and you = we, we, we, we, and then not I, not you, only He.
Another interview
he tells, ‘we and He is I’, the divine ‘I’. If you begin to
listen to the first
video the others follow by itself.
So I am listening to
his voice and one person asks what happens with the people who
come with bad
qualities and he tells that in love is nothing bad, of course,
and they don’t
go asking they should ask and what if there is no love? He
explains that
Krishna is 5000 years ago and Rama is 20000 years ago. He makes
a subtle
difference between this and that.
Today I understand
his interview much better. Did you know that he tells 3 w’s,
work, worship,
wisdom? Work body level, mind level worship, Atma level is
wisdom, so what we
do with the hands is work, what we do in thinking it over is
worship and the
wisdom is the result. Actually I never listened to that, he
tells, wine, woman
and wealth, very bad, it gets us down. I guess that is the
escalator I went
downwards and it was not about wine and woman
as I was a
woman, but he was, he wanted a wife and I thought it was a Baba
Lila, how did I
get to that conclusion?
For him it was about woman and wealth,
the woman is my
part, the wealth was your part of it that makes us also the same
on the mind
level. He was just expecting that Baba
would give,
give, give, body, mind, Atma.
Baba tells that there
are three w’s good and the w’s bad; the second part is the bad
part.
Actually when we listen to him it begins to get much easier, he talks about Atma and meditation is beyond the body, and in the body and mind is concentration and the focus is on the mantra, meditation is beyond the mind and merging with him and contemplation is on the border line.
It is for me much
clearer now listening to his words than it has been before we
were thinking it
over, it is about what he tells, the difference between science
and Atma and
how to get the wisdom, inquiry always, very important he said,
but it seems
really nobody who has not the experience of it can understand
it.
If we go on watching there is even an interview in the airplane, May 2003. We met him for the last time in February 03 and he was still walking.
If we go on watching there is even an interview in the airplane, May 2003. We met him for the last time in February 03 and he was still walking.
He is telling us waking
stage and dream stage and if we have both together we are
omniscient, that is
why we have to take the dreams and listen to him.
How strange it felt when our new center leader said that Baba was talking in me because I said we should listen to him and I told him, but no, not inside talking, listening to his words is self-enquiry and when we get the reflection in his words, we understand the dreams, because he is omniscient.
How strange it felt when our new center leader said that Baba was talking in me because I said we should listen to him and I told him, but no, not inside talking, listening to his words is self-enquiry and when we get the reflection in his words, we understand the dreams, because he is omniscient.
As he is omniscient
he gives in his words indirectly the answer to the dreams as
well and not only
the waking stage.
That is the inner view and insights what he was always talking about, but it seems that difficult to understand for the mind. If we are only on the waking stage level and have no experience of mediation and insights, it seems that difficult to understand, but if we listen to his words and go into self-enquiry we see the reflection of his omnipresence and the dreams also make sense.
That is the inner view and insights what he was always talking about, but it seems that difficult to understand for the mind. If we are only on the waking stage level and have no experience of mediation and insights, it seems that difficult to understand, but if we listen to his words and go into self-enquiry we see the reflection of his omnipresence and the dreams also make sense.
That is logical, if
he is telling us that waking stage and dream stage together make
us omniscient,
that is why in listening to his words we get the insights in the
dream stage,
because he is omniscient and we know it, he told us, but we
don’t know the
right conclusion.
If we listen
carefully we know that it must be like that, otherwise, it
doesn’t make sense. And
if we know it, we should do it, but as we don’t hear it and we
don’t listen, we
also don’t get to the right conclusion or the right answer.
I guess we have those
insights with the parents, because they are just the parents in
this life and
we had past lives also and it is about going beyond our present
life
transcending the mind, on a certain level our parents of that
life should not
be a problem anymore, they were adult children, they means in
the mind it seems
like immature children and not human beings knowing what they
were doing, they
had no wisdom and no vision, they didn’t know Baba, so how can
we expect to
find wisdom if they don’t know him and they never wanted to know
and they didn’t
ask.
With the dream and
the insights we go beyond the delusion in the mind and after we
realized that
it was only temporary and not permanent, we go back to the real
parents and
they are divine and Baba is the mirror of it.
By reading that book
of ‘Homecoming’ I remember that with my parents or my father I
had always the
feeling that it didn’t make sense and therefore, I went to see
them in Spain
after my stay with Baba for six months and I tried to find out
why it felt like
that.
The same was present when he said, he knew and I didn’t know.
I didn’t
know how he
could know, but I knew I didn’t know it and I went ahead
thinking I would get
the answer because it didn’t make sense and that is the same
with my father.
The father didn’t make sense
the way he reacted and he was overreacting and screaming around
and he didn’t
listen and that way we were not at all special, but something
was wrong and
that is what I tried to find out, what was wrong and the
neighbor was
responsible, but not he was the problem, the parents could have
reacted in a
different way and he would not have the power to manipulate as
he did, but they
didn’t react in a different way and they rather threw me out of
the house than
looking at the truth and reality that it had to do with the
father actually and
that he was indirectly responsible for that mess.
If that would not
have been present, that question that I had to find out what it
was when I went
to the parents to Spain, I probably would not have come to the
conclusion that
maybe in time I will know and I don’t know and I
thought he knew, when in
reality he didn’t know and it was all based on taking advantage
of it and on
ignorance, and Baba tells us that ignorance is a very bad
quality.
It was the same tendency in the mind as it was due tue my father, visiting them in the feeling that I had to find out what didn't work really.
The inner child is
dependent on the adult and the dependence creates the problem,
the inner child
is always missing the real parent and therefore, it is mourning
that leads to
the insight that the inner child had a divine core and that goes
beyond the
body and the mind and the temporary parents of this life and
that we have to
get there to be in touch with the divine parents and our inner
higher self.
It
is also Karma or a pattern if we are in the wounded child and
act it out and we
don’t get aware of it like I went to my parents to find what was
wrong …, it
was because of the unpredictable behavior of the parents.
In the book he talks
about six basic qualities, surprise, joy and interests, sorrow,
fear and anger.
The first three are positive, ‘surprise was in the air with
Baba’ when we went
there and that was in that sense positive and I wondered why he
looked ‘surprised’
and joy was always present during Darshan and interest is
probably what was
present as wonder, what was translated as (Neugierde).
So it is
what Baba said,
‘why fear if I am here’. Fear has no room in the Atma, there is
a gap between
the Atma and the mind and the body and the fear is only part of
the side of the
body, so is sorrow and anger, they all belong to the mind and
body part. But that are the basic emotions and it is confirmed
by the Baba Darshan, they were all present, the sense of wonder,
the joy and the surprise when he saw me in Darshan.
After we thought it
over again and again it begins to feel well-known and we just
wonder why nobody
is doing it.
We cannot get closer to the wisdom of an omniscient being. We know that he is God and we know that Baba if he is omniscient what means both stages, waking stage and dream stage together. What we don’t know is that they are both together and we have to listen.
Therefore, to get the meaning of the dreams we have to listen to his real words, not the words in our heart, but the real words, the words he used in his speeches, because he is omniscient, he doesn’t come and talk in us, because it would be duality, there is only one and that oneness is just a mirror and reflecting and what we understand as wisdom when listening to his real words, (not the words we think we hear inside) it reflects that he is omniscient. It is logic and it makes sense, it is like one and one is two.
We cannot get closer to the wisdom of an omniscient being. We know that he is God and we know that Baba if he is omniscient what means both stages, waking stage and dream stage together. What we don’t know is that they are both together and we have to listen.
Therefore, to get the meaning of the dreams we have to listen to his real words, not the words in our heart, but the real words, the words he used in his speeches, because he is omniscient, he doesn’t come and talk in us, because it would be duality, there is only one and that oneness is just a mirror and reflecting and what we understand as wisdom when listening to his real words, (not the words we think we hear inside) it reflects that he is omniscient. It is logic and it makes sense, it is like one and one is two.
But it is based on listening to his words and he said, that waking stage and dream stage together means omniscience and if we hear it and we don’t listen, we just hear that he talks about waking and dream stage, but we don’t get to the right conclusion, because we just hear it, but we don’t listen.
It is a difference if
we just hear it or we listen to him and we have to listen and
think it over to
be able to absorb the wisdom and that is dream stage and
insights and waking
stage together, that is how it grows on us and we will also
become omniscient
or at least we will understand his words.
The mourning of the
inner child that missed his parents and the pain to be let down
by them makes
us aware that the inner child is able to go beyond it. There is
the divine
child and a non-limited Atma level and we get aware of the
illusion in the mind
and when we get aware of it, it goes away. When we realize that
our parents
have just been children themselves and that is why they looked
like that in the
insight, they had faces of children and looked like dwarfs. That
makes us go
beyond it and we are able to get aware of the ignorance in the
mind. Ignorance
is identified with it and not beyond it and that identification
with it creates the pain, but tell the heart to stop to feel the
pain if it is not able to stop?
It doesn't stop just like that feeling the pain and the
sorrow, even if we know it is ignorance and due to wrong
identification, it is not just going away by giving it to Baba.
We have to do the work, we have to get aware of it.
We have to do the work, we have to get aware of it.
But we cannot go
beyond it without that we get aware of it and to get aware of it
we have to
feel it and that is what happens in thinking it over and in
writing it down.
Without mourning we cannot go beyond the hurt child and that is part of the mind pattern and it means we cannot let go of the pot, like the monkey we hold on to the thing in the pot as we think it has value, even if the parents are only temporary, it is still like the monkey because we think it has value. It is the heart that pains and suffers, but the heart is in pain even if it is delusion in the mind.
We cannot just go
beyond the mind in thinking we are divine, there has something
to happen that
we wake up and that awakening has to do with going beyond the
pain, but first
we have to get aware of the pain before we are able to leg to of
it. If we are
not aware of the pain and think, everything is fine, but why
there is no bliss?
There is nothing to let go.
It is because we live
in an apparent reality and in the mind and not beyond the mind.
We have to go beyond the mind and if we are not aware of the wounded child in us, we are not able to go beyond the mind, we walk just in circles and don’t know how to get out of it, the wounded child functions in patterns and without getting aware of the reason of those patterns and habits, we have not chance whatsoever to get out of it.
We have to go beyond the mind and if we are not aware of the wounded child in us, we are not able to go beyond the mind, we walk just in circles and don’t know how to get out of it, the wounded child functions in patterns and without getting aware of the reason of those patterns and habits, we have not chance whatsoever to get out of it.
Baba is awakening us as
he is the man who is in our dream to awake us, but that is the
insight and we
get aware of it only if we inquire about it.
The work has still to be done, it is not done when he is present in the dream, it is just the beginning and we have to think it over until we understand the dream and for that we have to listen to his omnipresent reality and get aware of the reflection in his words to be able to realize the meaning of his presence in our dreams and in the insight.
It doesn’t mean because Baba is in our dream that we are both waking stage and dream stage, it is again an illusion and a dream.
It is not that easy, we don’t just wake up and don’t have to do anything for it; we have to listen, think it over to be able to absorb that wisdom.
The wisdom is the result of the omniscience and that means waking stage and dream stage both together.
The work has still to be done, it is not done when he is present in the dream, it is just the beginning and we have to think it over until we understand the dream and for that we have to listen to his omnipresent reality and get aware of the reflection in his words to be able to realize the meaning of his presence in our dreams and in the insight.
It doesn’t mean because Baba is in our dream that we are both waking stage and dream stage, it is again an illusion and a dream.
It is not that easy, we don’t just wake up and don’t have to do anything for it; we have to listen, think it over to be able to absorb that wisdom.
The wisdom is the result of the omniscience and that means waking stage and dream stage both together.
If we listen to Baba
everything does make sense, we just have to listen.
People only think
about love, but not about how to listen to his words, but in his
words it that
love, he tells us it is not a normal state of love, it is a
different state of
love, but that we also don’t hear…, we have to listen to his words, they are on both levels, wakting and dream stage as he is omniscient.
Only if we do it we get the experience of it and we will be able to understand it and get a feeling for it.
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