Intellect loves to revel in discussions and disputations. Once you yield to this temptation, it takes a long while for you to escape from its shackles and move on to enjoy the bliss, which you can attain only from its nullification.
Your feelings and emotions warp your thought process, and convert reason into an untamed bull. Always be aware of the limitations of reason and logic. They must give way and yield to devotion.
After a point in time, your spiritual path must be illumined by devotion and intuition. Hence, be aware – your intellect can help you only for some distance along the Godward path. Very often, egoism tends to encourage and justify one's actions, for a person is led along the wrong path by one's own reason, if that is the path the person likes! You often come to the conclusion you want to reach! So make a careful choice on the path you tread!
Baba
What is the difference between discrimination, which is the first step on the path and discussions and disputations?
He calls it the first step, discrimination. The second step is to see it in our own life and the third step we have to go on no matter what obstacles are there, that is called Tapas, spiritual work.
He calls it the first step, discrimination. The second step is to see it in our own life and the third step we have to go on no matter what obstacles are there, that is called Tapas, spiritual work.
It has nothing to do with discussion and disputation. Baba calls the posititive side of the intellect devotion and the ill intended logic which puts everything in question is here meant with intellect.
For us in the West as we work mostly with the intellect and not the heart, that is difficult to understand. We think discrimination has only to do with the intellect, but it has to do with heart as well, it is the heart that leads to that discrimination between the eternal and the ephemeral, it means we accept that 'God' exists and develop love for God, pure love.
For us in the West as we work mostly with the intellect and not the heart, that is difficult to understand. We think discrimination has only to do with the intellect, but it has to do with heart as well, it is the heart that leads to that discrimination between the eternal and the ephemeral, it means we accept that 'God' exists and develop love for God, pure love.
We think with the heart and discriminate between the real and the not real.
We cannot discuss about it, because discussion creates doubts.
We cannot discuss about it, because discussion creates doubts.
The fact that I couldn't understand it right and use my intellect without feeling bad, resulted in trying to find answers on a place I finally couldn't find any. I went into a relationship and trusted someone who said, he knew, because I knew that I don't know.
But it was wrong, he didn't know as well, he was even worse, he didn't know what he was doing and afterwards he was constantly arguing and it turned into nothing but disputation, in every reaction of his was disputation.
With TM we used the intellect to discriminate between absolute and relative, between meditation and non-meditation and there was afterwards no more use for the intellect. It felt good and relaxing, because we had not to use it, instead we were meditating and in the beginning it felt like bliss what was attained from the nullification.
There is a difference between ill intended logic and logic which leads to enlightenment.
If he tells us listen, think it over and absorb, and if we only listen, we are in a clinch, because no reaction is dull and Tamas. There is a challenge in that wisdom and we have to meet it and think it over, it is an action, it is Rajas, therefore, it is using the intellect but in the right manner. And what means 'absorb'?
It is the integration of the inner view and knowledge in the light of what we listened, what we thought over and what we absorb in our own life.
To avoid the confusion between intellect and ill-intended logic, we have to see the result. If we don't have self-control, it leads into reactions and into disputation, it is good to remember that we discriminate with the heart, it is inner knowing, it is wisdom and it has nothing to do with disputations.
But even to think about it makes it come up.
If we think it over we contemplate what we have listened to in our own life and like that it gets absorbed, but that is the result of that process and it is beyond discussion and disputation, because it is an inner process.
Your feelings and emotions warp your thought process, and convert reason into an untamed bull.
That bull we face in a study circle if we don't keep the circle and we have a reason for disputation, and in the study circle we get aware of that difference. I didn't go to those study circles before, because I always came back with headache, because it was never a circle, but only a half a circle.
In a study circle we challenge the intellect and to face that nullification some get upset, that is the part of thinking it over and it means we have to face the untamed bull. If there is the slightest reason, because the process is not right understood, the untamed bull begins to be felt and it needs lots of self-control to just keep and silent and to just watch.
That is the process we know from Darshan, but when it is not a full circle, but only half a circle, we come back with headache and with the feeling that nothing is understood at all. That is probably the reason why we have usually in the study circle always the same people.
I don't like to face that untamed bull as well and we get frustrated if it is present. Therefore, we don't use the intellect in an ill-intended logic manner, but we have to know the difference. In a group of people we will always meet the fact that there is no discrimination and that the bull can get out of hand.
If we don't understand that process right, we have to face the untamed bull and the mind level which reflects the mind of all people present, it is the level of the group and that means it results in headache. It has to be on the level of the heart and we have to still be able to realize it and that means we have to face it.
After a point in time, your spiritual path must be illumined by devotion and Intuition.
We have to know the difference between intellect and devotion and intuition. If we talk about dreams and look at our dreams it is about intuition and it results in discrimination, some would say that it also the intellect. To make sure it is right understood, because Baba tells us here clearly that it is part of devotion, we should see the difference if we reason with the intellect or if it is the wisdom of the heart and intuition.
There is a contradiction, he begins in telling us that we have get to nullification of the intellect, but at the same time we get to the conclusion that we need discrimination to know the difference between intuition and devotion and discrimination.
What I often noticed is that we think all what has to do with thinking is 'intellect' and therefore, they stop to think and begin to feel love and that is mind again.
The process of discrimination is not understood right, but that is the A and the O. Love is related to truth and reality, if we try to feel love that is not a permanent state of being and therefore, it cannot be the right level. It has to be non-changing and divine.
Hence, be aware – your intellect can help you only for some distance along the Godward path. Very often, egoism tends to encourage and justify one's actions, for a person is led along the wrong path by one's own reason, if that is the path the person likes! You often come to the conclusion you want to reach! So make a careful choice on the path you tread!
ABC, always be careful.
We think we don't use the intellect and only love and afterwards we justify our action because we think we love it and are already again on the false path, because it ends not with feeling love only, but with being careful to make the right choices and that means discrimination again.
If we listen only to the heart it makes a fool out of us, if we don't use discrimination.
It is the heart that knows the difference. But that is exactly what happened, because I didn't know, the intellect was not working, I was holding on to Baba and someone who said he knew and it was all wrong, and that is frustrating, we might not like it, but we wanted it like that.
Patanjali tells us in the yoga sutras to make a difference in our intellect between right logic and ill-intended logic. If we have to take care of a group of people and are not aware of it, we will have to face that untamed bull.
We should be careful about our understanding, because he begins here in telling that intellect is not okay and it should be nullified, but it ends with the conclusion that we have to make a right choice and use discrimination. How can we be able to make a right choice without using our intellect?
Only on that level he calls it devotion and not intellect, because it is right and harmonious and oneness and heart directed.
These are subtle differences, and if we are not careful, we don't understand it right.
So I can torment myself in getting aware of it that I wanted it like that.
The problem is to live in peace with it.
As long as we are avoiding it or looking for another path, because we cannot live with it, we are not in peace with it and it doesn't help to not think about it at all or to not use the intellect, in that case it gets even worse if we don't use the intellect, because there is no peace.
It has to do with the father. The source got lost and Baba asked, to whom I belonged. I didn't know because of the lost source, the reason was my parent's house. I met my ex and he said, I belonged to him, but that was no answer.
I hoped it would be an answer and get easier, because I knew that it was very difficult, not only that he had said so, but I also felt it. I hoped he would help to get the right answer.
At the same time it was about TM and that everything seemed upside down. I had no idea how difficult it was to understand.
Baba said that it was not the right path and very difficult to understand and my ex said later on, that there was nothing wrong about TM, that means he took the opposite attitude blaming me for everything.
But I had to get an answer and on that level or with that attitude it was not possible to get the right answer, but an answer I had to get anyhow.
It feels not only like upside down, it is worse.
It is like I had to do one thing and he did the opposite thing, it was like he did everything to make it more difficult.
The same way felt the relationship to my father, because the situation was all upside down and I talked about one thing and they talked about something else and it was a kind of impossible, it made no sense.
It felt like nuts, behind the manipulation of the neighbor, what was avoided by the family. I guess it was also Tamas and upside down, but it felt like schizophrenic, divided, it was actually awful.
It said that I married the father and that was a shock. It feels like back again in the same old shit.
I really didn't go to a Sai Baba to live all that again, but it seems I understood something wrong, I couldn't avoid it. In reality we have to get aware of it, we have to realize it and there is no way we can avoid it.
It has to do with the father. The source got lost and Baba asked, to whom I belonged. I didn't know because of the lost source, the reason was my parent's house. I met my ex and he said, I belonged to him, but that was no answer.
I hoped it would be an answer and get easier, because I knew that it was very difficult, not only that he had said so, but I also felt it. I hoped he would help to get the right answer.
At the same time it was about TM and that everything seemed upside down. I had no idea how difficult it was to understand.
Baba said that it was not the right path and very difficult to understand and my ex said later on, that there was nothing wrong about TM, that means he took the opposite attitude blaming me for everything.
But I had to get an answer and on that level or with that attitude it was not possible to get the right answer, but an answer I had to get anyhow.
It feels not only like upside down, it is worse.
It is like I had to do one thing and he did the opposite thing, it was like he did everything to make it more difficult.
The same way felt the relationship to my father, because the situation was all upside down and I talked about one thing and they talked about something else and it was a kind of impossible, it made no sense.
It felt like nuts, behind the manipulation of the neighbor, what was avoided by the family. I guess it was also Tamas and upside down, but it felt like schizophrenic, divided, it was actually awful.
It said that I married the father and that was a shock. It feels like back again in the same old shit.
I really didn't go to a Sai Baba to live all that again, but it seems I understood something wrong, I couldn't avoid it. In reality we have to get aware of it, we have to realize it and there is no way we can avoid it.
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