Death and Immortality

We must clearly understand the meaning of ‘death’ and ‘immortality’. We regard death as synonymous with all kinds of strength in the body being lost. In other words, death is the ebbing away of the life force from the body. If the life force remains in the body forever, we regard that situation as immortality. This is incorrect. To be able to completely identify oneself with the aspect of God and completely forget the aspect of the body is true immortality. If at all times we are totally immersed only in the thought of the body and its comforts, and forget the aspect of Atma, that is death. It is only when we are able to clearly recognize the connection between birth and death that the sacred desire for securing immortality will sprout in us. There is birth and death for the body, but there is no birth or death for the Atma. To be able to understand this eternity of the Atma is the real meaning of attaining immortality.

How do we understand clearly the meaning of death and immortality?

We regard death as synonymous with all kinds of strength in the body lost. How do we see it in our own life? 

If we don’t feel well, we are sometimes telling, ‘I feel like dead, it means no strength. Or not long ago I said that the relationship with my ex was like dead, he didn’t respond and he didn’t question it, and he just ignored or avoided it. 

There was no life in that relationship and that is why it felt like dead and Baba said, ‘no more husband, nothing left but an empty Western shoe.’ 

That way we can see it in our own life.

They said we could have a date. I think that I am able to go for dinner and we have a good time, no discussions, no arguing, but it doesn’t mean I will get in a relationship again. Baba said, ‘no more husband, nothing left but an empty Western shoe’.

We can think of having a good time together and the relationship between him and his daughter will improve, when I am present as he will not dare to tell all that stuff to her he does if I am not there and that means we will enjoy it as family. 

‘No more husband, nothing left but an empty Western shoe’ is a warning. And if we would have fun together and enjoy it and it would look great and special and whatever, it is a warning to not expect a relationship when in reality it is only an empty Western shoe.

Maybe it can be easy and fun just because there is no relationship, what would be a problem in the moment there would be again a relationship.  

He is not listening, everything is possible and as I am listening, I am the one who has to be careful. 

He seems to be telling that he is meditating still pretending, but in reality it seems that he goes home and he is lying down and listening to music and probably what he calls meditation, but it is not meditation. Meditation is beyond the mind, listening to music is in the mind. Repeating a mantra in the mind is concentration and if we don’t go by that beyond the mind it is not mediation.

If he would be a meditator, he would be more open to it. Listening to music is how he meditates and if later someone will ask him, why he calls that meditation, when in reality it is not, he has not even a bad conscience about it and he asked me, ‘can you blame me’? 

He allows everything and he thinks he should be forgiven for it, but he himself is not forgiving or giving anything to others and after all it is a bad monkey mind behind it.

Baba’s insights express a reality we should not ignore and if we are not listening, we are stupid actually and it can very well be that one day we will meet and have a family gathering and it will be fun and it looks all great again and he will tell sweet stuff and everything ideal and if we do not go into a relationship, we don’t have to make the experience that it is not true, if there is a relationship we make the experience that there are lots of bad thoughts – as Baba calls it and nothing is true.

If the life force remains in the body forever, we regard that situation as immortality. This is incorrect. To be able to completely identify oneself with the aspect of God and completely forget the aspect of the body is true immortality.

Immortality is not on body level. The body is conceptual and permanent, divinity is non-conceptual and immortal. But we can ask the question, how are we able to identify oneself with the aspect of God and completely forget the aspect of the body? We are still in the body.

If at all times we are totally immersed only in the thought of the body and its comforts, and forget the aspect of Atma, that is death. It is only when we are able to clearly recognize the connection between birth and death that the sacred desire for securing immortality will sprout in us. There is birth and death for the body, but there is no birth or death for the Atma. To be able to understand this eternity of the Atma is the real meaning of attaining immortality.

Did you make the experience of oneness and you know that there is only One? There is no second.

You see Baba is clearly telling us about death and we are dead if we think always of the body and its comforts and we forget the aspect of Atma, that is death. We know it is non-conceptual, on the feeling level ‘nothing matters’ – there is no matter, no concepts, so how do we make the experience of it? We forget the aspect of Atma and are living death, because we are the body and the mind.

How are we able to clearly recognize the connection between birth and death that the sacred desire for immortality will sprout in us? Do you know how?

The body has birth and death, if we are identified with the body, we will also die and if we are identified on the divine Atma level, we cannot die and because that immortal reality in our self is always present, we get reborn and if we die, we will be reborn in another body. There is no death for Atma and the question for us is how we make that experience of the Atma.

It is in the principle of ‘I am That’. We should not only understand that it is non-conceptual, we have to make the experience of it. Pure being cannot be transcended, it is transcendental being and non-conceptual, pure love cannot be transcended, it is what is left after we take away all conceptual reality of the created world. Pure being is just ‘I am’, pure love is ‘I am that’.

There is only one and no second and we have to understand that. There is nobody else on that level if there is only one.

We can make the experience of pure love, as Baba said, we have to understand peace and we have to accept truth and if we accept the path of truth, we also have to accept right action, we need those three things, truth, right action and peace to be able to make the experience of pure love and if there is pure love, not connected to body and mind, just coming up out of nowhere as it seems, we can realize the Atma.

Truth means I don’t benefit from searching faults in others as he said yesterday. It is the mind looking for differences, the ‘I’ doesn’t see any difference really, and the question is only if I am in the mind and lost in the mind or if I am aware of it who I am. If I am aware of it that is true, if I am in the mind, it is not true.

 To be able to understand this eternity of the Atma is the real meaning of attaining immortality.

This is important. To be able to understand – the eternity of Atma – is the meaning of immortality. We should listen to every word.

We have to be able to understand it – to understand it we have to make the experience of it and if we understand it, we also know the meaning of attaining immortality. As long as do not have the experience of ‘pure love’ – we are not able to really understand the meaning of immortality.